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Who was at fault?

August 24, 2014

Aug. 15, a video showed Michael Brown committing a strong-arm robbery at a convenience store. He shoved a much smaller store clerk and walked out....

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Scott36

Aug-25-14 2:54 PM

They became successful because of the Civil Rights Act and other government programs.-CMReeder

Clarence Thomas, I believe for one. Hope your Day is Great!!-Scott

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Scott36

Aug-25-14 12:36 PM

I'm not sure if I'm more embarrassed that someone wants to be taken seriously today by using "the blacks" in a LTE, or embarrassed by the SG for printing it.-ericwilliamsport

Eric,

You have no reason to be embarrassed. You seem to have well thought out, level headed comments. Now, being embarrassed for the Williamsport area in general, there is a case to be made. Have a Terrific, Stress free Day!!-Scott

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ericwilliamsport

Aug-25-14 11:22 AM

I'm not sure if I'm more embarrassed that someone wants to be taken seriously today by using "the blacks" in a LTE, or embarrassed by the SG for printing it.

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CMReeder

Aug-25-14 8:29 AM

I would point out there are successful blacks who say that racism is alive in the US. They became successful because of the Civil Rights Act and other government programs. Successful blacks will tell you the police have in the past harassed them.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-14 11:15 AM

Anytime Chuck

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CMReeder

Aug-24-14 11:09 AM

Would like to continue but I have to leave for the afternoon. Can we pick it up later like six or seven if not maybe tomorrow? I really like the exchange between us. Bye for now.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-14 10:57 AM

Chuck, it is still not the norm and not all blacks are victims. They only do themselves a disservice by keeping the mindset that they are. If that was the case you wouldn't have the millions of blacks that are successful.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-14 10:55 AM

I am not saying it is right or wrong but this is what is involved.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-14 10:51 AM

You had the incident in NY where a black man was tackled and put in a choke hold and pleading he could not breathe died under arrest. You a another black man arrested placed in the back of a police car and the police said he committed suicide with a handgun the arrested man had placed in the seat and shot himself in the back but the autopsy says otherwise. He was shot in the chest.

History in that region points to justice for whites and not blacks.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-14 10:46 AM

Chuck, white on black shootings are not the norm in this country, and unarmed blacks being shot by white officers is even rarer. People like Sharpton, Jackson and even Holder want to make it seem that this is the norm. The problem, IMO, is that some black people need to overcome the victimizations of the past. Until they do, they will always have the mindset that they will never be able to succeed. Are there still inequalities in this country, unfortunately yes. But I think we have moved beyond the idea that the entire black population are still victims in this country. Many blacks need to understand who they really are and understand that they can overcome victimizations of the past and use the strength built from those experiences to be successful, as many blacks have. Yet that is not the message being spread by Jackson, Sharpton and Holder.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-14 10:16 AM

I understand how you see it that way Capricorn1 but history in that region says otherwise. Truthfully that is what this is all about justice for whites but not for blacks.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-14 10:11 AM

When did a request become a dictate? From what I understand the DOJ gets a lot of similar requests. There is a huge spotlight on this case and you have people in positions who desire that this be looked into immediately while evidence is fresh.

I said it before this was handle badly from the beginning and now the people are demanding a resolution and they don't trust the local authority to do so but mostly the family of Michael Brown doesn't trust the local authority. I have my doubts they will ever be satisfied with the outcome.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-14 9:49 AM

Chuck, since when do we allow the family to dictate the actions of the DOJ? Since when does the Governor allow protestors to dictate how our criminal justice system works and when charges should be filed? You're right, the family and the protestors are demanding an arrest, but our system isn't designed to allow the citizens to investigate and pass judgment. They get that chance in the jury room if/when charges are filed and a trial is held. IMO, they will end up arresting this officer for the mere fear of what will happen if they don't and IMO that is NOT due process.

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Ritty77

Aug-24-14 9:35 AM

My bad, Chuck. It sounded like you were making excuses for it.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-14 9:33 AM

If I am not mistaken Capricorn1 the family requested the DOJ to do so about the third autopsy. The assumption is that the DOJ will have a different finding due to the fact that Holder is the AG.

I don't think they have found the officer guilty. They are succumbing to pressure from the community to charge this officer and have the family of Michael Brown their day in court.

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CMReeder

Aug-24-14 9:27 AM

Where did I say that ritty? I said some are saying no due process is being done with the officer, they are saying it is a cover up protecting the officer.

I did not say I agree.

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Capricorn1

Aug-24-14 9:15 AM

I read today where the White House is sending three aids to Michael Brown's funeral. Then we have the Governor demanding charges being placed on the officer even before the investigation and grand jury is complete. The DOJ sends 50 FBI agents to Ferguson to investigate a single shooting incident. The DOJ orders another autopsy being conducted with absolutely no evidence of foul play during the State's autopsy.

I don't know what happened in this case, none of us do. But I do feel the White House, the DOJ and the Governor have predetermined the guilt of this officer and they are placing undue pressure for charges to be filed. The media is no better. They are already running stories of what will happen if charges aren't filed. All I can say is good luck to Holder. Filing Civil Rights charges against this officer is an extremely long shot at best. But of course I'm sure he knew that from the beginning.

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Ritty77

Aug-24-14 9:08 AM

So, Chuck, you're OK with instant "justice" without due process when people think there's a cover up or similar things have occurred before? Do you think society as a whole is OK with that kind of "justice"?

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CMReeder

Aug-24-14 8:57 AM

Some people think that due process is not being done at all when it comes to the officer, they think the police department is doing a cover up. This is not a lone incident, this one just brought it to a boiling point.

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Ritty77

Aug-24-14 8:36 AM

"It never once occurred to me to wonder if the store clerk is in the country illegally."

Me neither. I like it when he says 'thank you' when I pay for my items (as if he's had past experiences where the customer did think payment was required), then he thanks me again when he gives me my change.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Aug-24-14 8:32 AM

It looks like that hole is getting pretty deep. I hope you have a ladder to climb out when you are done.

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JerryfromRI

Aug-24-14 8:22 AM

"I do not know if the clerk is of a different nationality and here legally."

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It never once occurred to me to wonder if the store clerk is in the country illegally.

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Ritty77

Aug-24-14 8:20 AM

In this country, "justice" means all people, regardless of the severity of the crime or the certainty of his or her guilt, is to be afforded due process and equality under the law.

Many are fine with denying Officer Wilson his right to due process purely because they believe Wilson denied Michael Brown his due process.

But two wrongs don't make a right, and if we lose due process and the rule of law, blacks and other minorities—those who fought hardest for equal justice for all—will have fought for nothing.

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JerryfromRI

Aug-24-14 8:17 AM

We already know that most of what is commonly believed about this case in the beginning was a mountain of LIES created for the sole purpose of making us believe that there is a problem with white police shooting unarmed black men in this nation.

There is no such problem. -Eric

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And the murder by choke hold in NYC?

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CaveFelem

Aug-24-14 7:39 AM

And no matter what happened, there is no excuse to loot, riot, throw molotov cocktails, and destroy your neighborhood. The criminal element in Ferguson has used this as an excuse to destroy and vandalize.

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