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Hoping for Middle East peace

August 21, 2014

As one who follows the conflicts in the Middle East, I pay most attention to that of the continuing battle between Israel and Hamas. Aug....

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CMReeder

Aug-23-14 5:38 PM

Problem is every time the west steps in to change or help the Middle East they wind up making it worse.

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Capricorn1

Aug-23-14 2:07 PM

Scott, I think the bottom line is Americans are tired of war and it would be political suicide to support an endeavor that would require thousands of troops, billions of dollars and many months if not years to complete the mission. My only hope is that we don't wait until we have a great deal of American lives lost before we take action, as we did with Al Qaeda. If you remember, before 9/11, Al Qaeda attacked many places, including embassies and the USS Cole that killed many Americans and we sat by and did nothing until they came on our soil and killed thousands of our citizens. And from all reports I've read, ISIL is much more brutal, better financed and better organized than Al Qaeda ever was. Let's hope and pray we don't get caught sitting on our hands again.

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Scott36

Aug-23-14 1:33 PM

Personally I think Obama needs to go to the UN and ask for a resolution for a coalition of forces much like we did in the first gulf war...-Capricorn1

As you stated in a previous post, they are very mobile. Should this UN coalition have the authority to go into ANY country chasing them?-Scott

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Scott36

Aug-23-14 1:29 PM

And exactly how would that work in countries such as Iraq and Syria?-Capricorn1

Didn't say it would be easy. It would obviously take a major group of countries to cooperate in such an endeavor. Extremely harsh fines/Imprisonment for anyone caught violating it. But if eradicating terrorism is a main goal--even more important than money, it cannot do much worse than the way it has been handled. Have a Nice Day!!-Scott

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CMReeder

Aug-23-14 11:41 AM

You are not going to eradicate the radicals they are a product of the territorialism, nationalism, tribalism that permeates that region. BTW I never said not to do anything wither. I think it is wrong just to concentrate on them only. We did that with al Qaeda and look what we got, ISIL.

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Capricorn1

Aug-23-14 10:04 AM

It is not just the radicals that are the problem. -Chuck

Chuck, so what do you feel should be done regarding ISIL? From your comments it sounds like you feel they aren't much of a threat and that we should sit back and let whatever happens, happen.

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Capricorn1

Aug-23-14 10:01 AM

Actually Chuck, I said no such thing regarding the UN. What I did say is that they are extremely ineffective in completing some of their responsibilities.

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CMReeder

Aug-23-14 9:48 AM

The UN? Not to long ago you all were in favor of revoking it's charter.

It is not just the radicals that are the problem. You territorialism, down right stubbornness and nationalism that complicate the issue.

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Capricorn1

Aug-23-14 8:54 AM

We have a President and had past presidents who had to deal with this issue. -Chuck

Actually, that is probably why this issue has spread the way it has, because the issue wasn't properly addressed in the past and it was allowed to spread and become stronger. Do you feel that we should continue down that path? Personally I think Obama needs to go to the UN and ask for a resolution for a coalition of forces much like we did in the first gulf war. Nations need to come together to eliminate this problem with authority and precision. Theses Islamic Radicals are a threat to the entire world and nations needs to work together and show that they will no longer be tolerated.

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CMReeder

Aug-23-14 8:32 AM

What you do if your are President/

Really! We have a President and had past presidents who had to deal with this issue. Everyone thinks they have a answer and guess what they don't.

Can't even get the conservatives and liberals here to stop bickering and you want to attain peace in the Middle East. It is obvious that as long as politics and religion are heavily involved there will never be a satisfactory solution.

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CMReeder

Aug-23-14 8:26 AM

Vince, Keep digging that hole you are in.

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Capricorn1

Aug-23-14 6:03 AM

My opinion, is that it should be approached in a monetary/Trade angle. If it causes countries, and other entities $$$$, I have a feeling that they would not be quite so welcome.-JMHO -Scott

And exactly how would that work in countries such as Iraq and Syria? These extremist go wherever they choose to spread their violence, whether they are welcome or not and they are recruiting more members everyday and getting wealthier every day. I don't think many people are grasping just how dangerous this group is because they are halfway around the globe. That could change soon if the experts are correct.

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Scott36

Aug-22-14 8:07 PM

If you were the president, how would you handle this?-Capricorn1

THAT is the million dollar question. We have everything from "sitting down with tea, & crumpets", To turning the entire middle east into one giant bowl of Glass, & "let God sort them out". If our actions are wrong--GITMO(there were captured terrorists that said they joined up because of it), it can be advantageous to our enemies, yet too lenient, is also not good. My opinion, is that it should be approached in a monetary/Trade angle. If it causes countries, and other entities $$$$, I have a feeling that they would not be quite so welcome.-JMHO. Have a Great evening/Tomorrow!!-Scott

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Scott36

Aug-22-14 7:41 PM

I’m more inclined to believe they really don’t want to understand what conservatives think.-underwood

Yet they can, & do converse with conservatives. SO, What would the advantage, IYO, be to trying to keep up with events, so they can give an opinion on things, yet keep themselves in the dark about the philosophies of Conservatives? I have noticed that a lot of the time, their(Con/TP)specific opinions are what sounds best at the time.-JMO, from experience. Have an Enjoyable Evening!!-Scott

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Scott36

Aug-22-14 7:36 PM

Most Conservatives understand Liberals' motivations and beliefs-VinceKnauff

Would you please pass on where you attain this wealth of knowledge, Oh wise one!! Let me understand this: Liberals do not know how Conservatives think, BUT Conservatives know how Liberals think. Nice neat little box your "logic" is tucked away in. LOL!!! Have a Great night gazing into your crystal ball of all knowing knowledge!!-Scott

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Scott36

Aug-22-14 7:08 PM

By definition then, has no steadfast belief.-bobbae2

I believe that one can have a steadfast belief, & yet not be radical about it. Simply because a person does not view the world in a "Black/White" Vision mode, does not mean they have no steadfast beliefs. This argument is usually used by "extreme" factions(on both sides) to try to dismiss anyone who does not view things in their tunnel vision-JMO-Have a Happy, Safe Evening!!-Scott

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Scott36

Aug-22-14 6:52 PM

What fundamental belief does a moderate hold?-bobbae2

They can both hold the same belief, just to different degrees. Ex.-"Thou Shall Not Kill" both moderates, & those who would be considered "radical" most probably agree that it pertains to people. Someone with a "Radical" interpretation may feel that it also makes you guilty if you "murder" a fly with a flyswatter. Have a Great evening!!-Scott

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VinceKnauff

Aug-22-14 2:14 PM

Chuck you are simply wrong. Conservatives want everybody to be free. Liberals want everybody to conform to their ideas of what they think should be permitted. So it is your ideology that wants things to be in your image. Your problem in understanding these back-and-forths has been your tendency to project your own ideology onto those that oppose you.

I am sorry I got on to this tangent. I should have known to not take the bait from Chuck.

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CMReeder

Aug-22-14 1:58 PM

As usual Vince you step into it. You make accusations of liberals that you yourself are guilty of.

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VinceKnauff

Aug-22-14 1:50 PM

Hey Vince how much time do you spend understanding what liberal think? You guys made yourselves really clear. Make the world into your image!

Thanks for once again proving my point Chuck. And thanks once again for proving another truism about Liberals. If you want to understand what a Liberal is doing, just listen to what he is accusing the Conservatives of doing and there you are.

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bobbae2

Aug-22-14 1:32 PM

Carlitos "Hey Vince how much time do you spend understanding what liberal think? "

Takes no time at all, liberals don't think.

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underwood

Aug-22-14 1:16 PM

Radical Islam is an ideological movement and that’s what needs to be eradicated.

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Capricorn1

Aug-22-14 12:03 PM

Capricorn1 all you are doing s condoning eradication of a group. -Chuck

Chuck, are you suggesting that we just allow ISIL to continue to spread their violence? If you were the president, how would you handle this? Perhaps send over Kerry to sit down with them over tea and crumpets and sing Kumbaya? There is no reasoning with extremists such as these and yes, they need to be eliminated.

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CMReeder

Aug-22-14 11:50 AM

Capricorn1 all you are doing s condoning eradication of a group. All I want to know is when does it stop? How do you stop it from coming back in another group of Muslims? Or for that matter any other group? Is carnage all we are good for?

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CMReeder

Aug-22-14 11:42 AM

Hey Vince how much time do you spend understanding what liberal think? You guys made yourselves really clear. Make the world into your image!

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