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Hammers vs. guns

March 8, 2013

If this were a Seinfeld routine, it would begin, “What’s up with all the hammer stuff?” But, unfortunately, this isn’t about stand-up comedy or a beloved TV series about “nothing....

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Mar-08-13 8:09 PM

"You don't need an AK47 with a 30 round magazine to rob a convenience store."

Maybe you don't, but I find that clerks and customers obey my commands quicker when they see my scary looking assault weapon. Plus if shtt pops, I'm ready to go. It's a win-win.

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Mar-08-13 4:13 PM

Rick, I agree. It does seem society closed down the old nightmare mental hospitals (at least in areas I'm familiar with) and never replaced them with something more appropriate and truly world class in its approach and success rates. In some recent issues, its clear warning signals, but no action. A starting point might be to why nobody could or would act.

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Mar-08-13 2:53 PM

But the question remains, what are we to do with those that have mental health issues? This conversation today mentions guns and mental health. Unless we do something to help those in need then the arguments are pointless. I would rather my money go to help those in need then to pay for a NG service station in Williamsport.

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Mar-08-13 2:28 PM

Rick442, the debt issue isn't a right or left thing. I'm not picking or choosing programs to spend on either. I can say its a numbers game. If we spend more than we take in we'll generate deficits, inflation and increased costs on the middle class. That is my opinion.

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Mar-08-13 1:17 PM

idiottwo, I too am tired of the arguments from the right. The pick and choose arguments. We have no money but yet have no problem using 6.6 million dollars so a private company can set up business here in bill town. Now we speak of the mentally ill, There may be no money and therefore no way to fix the problem so what do we do if there is no way to treat the mentally ill? You cut programs and this is what happens.

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Mar-08-13 1:06 PM

I'm pretty sure Hayes that I've already discussed that. I'm talking about improvements to current gun laws that address the Mental Health side of it. I know you have a hard time reading and I understand you're probably suffering from your own case of mental illness as well..ignorance. But I've already, in more than one thread, stated where I think improvements need to be made. As far as how to implement them, I've never pretended to be a doctor, lawyer, politician, etc. People who are qualified to do so, need to do so. I am not qualified to do so. I'm simply sharing my personal feelings on the matter.

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Mar-08-13 11:36 AM

" I do admit, that, as you know, I'm for making 'improvements' to current restrictions"

Really? What "improvements"? Please enlight us with the specific "improvements" you'd like to see, and exactly how these "improvements" would be implemented.

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Mar-08-13 11:33 AM

Rick, like you likely feel about others, I tire of your comments and rock throwing about others. Your comment about cut programs? Money doesn't nessasarily provide results in programs, not that you would care. What you absolutely fail to see is there isn't enough money. How can we have a 16 T deficit or said better, almost 7 times revenue and think you can carry on?

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Mar-08-13 11:28 AM

Sure Josh, my source is the radio show This American Life, from WBEZ in Chicago. Episode 488, "Harper High School Part Two".

Is that specific enough for you?

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Mar-08-13 10:34 AM

CHayes Mar-08-13 6:29 AM****"We need FEDERAL gun legislation. Part of the story focused on where the guns came from. It said a small band of college students was recently busted for driving to Indiana gun shows, buying "a large bag" of guns at the shows, and selling them in Chicago. Gun control isn't really very effective, when you can jump in your car, drive 45 minutes across the state border, buy a bunch of guns easily, and bring them back home to sell."

BS, you had better provide a source to this information. I've already debunked this sorry excuse for an argument from you before.

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Mar-08-13 10:30 AM

CHayes Mar-08-13 6:12 AM***"Mental illness? You mean like people saying the President orchestrated the Benghazi attack? Or did you mean people saying the govt was behind the Newtown school massacre? Or were you talking about the Senate Minority Leader sending a letter to the Dept of Defense asking why they were planning on giving Guantanamo detainees military veterans benefits?"

No Hayes, I believe he was thinking more of Dem Rep. Hank Johnson fearing that stationing 8,000 Marines on Guam might cause the island to "Become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize".

Or they might possibly be describing Dem Congressman David Wu, wearing his "fuzzy tiger suit" out and about.

Could give you a thousand more, but busy day in the office today, sorry.

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Mar-08-13 10:13 AM

Not going to read the same old tired arguments on this subject.

Thank Mr. Bassett for alevel headed look on the subject of gun control.

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Mar-08-13 9:21 AM

I agree with your comment completely enigma. I do admit, that, as you know, I'm for making 'improvements' to current restrictions and initially I was in favor of bans, but I've listened to the arguements, seen the logic, and am now, standing on the other side of that fence.

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Mar-08-13 9:20 AM

You can say whatever you'd like Hayes, but we all see it every day. It starts out about mass shootings and then morphs into murder statistics with other weapons other violent crimes and of course after all that, we've got people like you saying it's still about assault weapons.

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Mar-08-13 9:18 AM

Apparently Larry and several commenting here missed the point of the hammer thing. Not one of those people really wanted to pass laws limiting hammers. They were just illustrating the folly (read foolishness) in the current call for gun restrictions. Anyone who wants to kill, will and anyone who wants to kill a lot of people, will. No law will stop that. Guns are not the only way to kill, but sometimes they are the only way to keep from being killed. If you are afraid of guns, learn more about them. Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to anger, and anger leads to the dark side.

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Mar-08-13 9:08 AM

NO NOT IN MY MIND HAYES! Every****time one of you morons writes a letter or comments on an article, it's about 'murders with hammers' or murder statistics with guns, yet it's supposedly about mass shootings with assault rifles.

You're all so dang wishy-washy on the issue. You are using all kinds of statistics that have nothing to do with mass shootings and tying them to it and then trying to say it isn't about 'violent crimes' it's about mass shootings. Sure, it might be about Mass Shootings for Obama, but it's not for the people that keep writing these stupid a** articles about hammers,cars, and assault rifles being the issue.

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Mar-08-13 9:05 AM

There are two things I find funny about this whole issue. #1 anytime someone says something that makes sense or adds logic and the willingness to think the anti-gun crowd automatically hits [disagree]. Secondly, I've yet to hear Shaman, Hayes, and so many others add any potential solutions/improvements to how mental health in coordination with buying guns can be made more effective, but they're the first ones to attempt to rip down any logical solutions someone else offers.

The only argument they have is 'let's get rid of rights'.

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Mar-08-13 9:03 AM

" but this 'issue' has evolved into a 'violent crime' issue"

In your mind it has. The current legislation is about reducing huge massacres of American citizens, by people armed with weapons designed to dump large numbers of bullets out very rapidly without the necessity of reloading. That would be why people are talking about limits on magazine capacity.

You don't need an AK47 with a 30 round magazine to rob a convenience store.

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Mar-08-13 9:02 AM

Since you are somewhat slow Hayes I'll explain this for you.

I wasn't asking you to define mentally ill, I was responding in a 'question-phrased statement' to you.

I'm not going to keep anyone from buying guns Hayes. But there are doctors and psychiatrists out there that can develop a reasonable 'definition' for mental illness in relation to firearm purchases.

Giving evaluations to people who want to buy guns? What? Also, I'm not talking about the general public Hayes, don't be so stupid. I'm talking about having to clear a background check'. If someone is flagged as 'ineligible due to mental illness' or however you'd like to phrase it, then they're simply denied the right to purchase a firearm. Gun Salesmen don't need to be able to see specific medical records or be given specific illness information. My comment about me not being a gun salesman was because I also don't own a gun so I haven't had to go through the clearance process to purchase one.

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Mar-08-13 8:58 AM

" How many were killed by vehicles? We should do something about that too. Busses? Those too."

So then your saying that guns are critical to the functioning of our society, like cars and busses are? That's kind of extraordinary.

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Mar-08-13 8:57 AM

"but some of the first steps are reestablishing mental health medical facilities"

The question then becomes who pays for those facilities? A lot of these facilities lost funding back in the 80's and tossed a lot of the poor people out on the street. The feeling was that it wasn't governments responsibility to take care of the mentally ill.

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Mar-08-13 8:55 AM

Rick, are we solely talking about mass shootings? Because I don't think we truly are. Some of you may be, but this 'issue' has evolved into a 'violent crime' issue originating from the 'mass shooting' issue it started out as.

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Mar-08-13 8:44 AM

" some of the first steps are reestablishing mental health medical facilities and improving the state reporting of those diagnosed with mental illness; additionally improving the diagnosis through standard medical examinations"

We have mental health facilities already. You want to build hundreds of new ones? You want to give mental health evaluations to people wanting to buy guns? Wow! That'll go over really well. Would that be inpatient evaluations?

You want members of the public to have access to people's private medical records? You know that's against the law, right?

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Mar-08-13 8:39 AM

" Define Mentally Ill?"

Why would I define mentally ill? Aren't you the one calling for keeping guns away from mentally ill people? I suppose that males it YOUR job to "define mentally ill". Quick heads up, if you can't define what constitutes.a mentally ill person, how are you going to keep them from buying guns?

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Mar-08-13 8:34 AM

"How many mass shootings are done with hand guns by a single person?" - rick424

Jared Lauphner (sp?) who was also incidentally mentally unstable.

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