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Days long gone

February 11, 2013

About 35 years ago, I packed my trailer and Wagoneer and moved to Las Vegas, Ne....

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johnnyad3

Feb-13-13 9:14 AM

"If anyone else did what they do it would be called extortion and racketeering"

I was saying this same thing the other day but I was talking about the state pensions. State employees contributed to their pensions. PA and other states stopped contributing.

If a union would've done the same thing, those trustees would be in jail. I haven't heard of any state pension people being punished.

And now somehow, anger is directed to the unions and their members who did nothing wrong.

Regarding the letter, I think the author has left some information out of his story to skew it in a certain direction. There are laws regarding pensions and for him to do nothing to get his pension after he was told that(if that's how it really went), then I don't feel sorry for him. In fact, I just don't believe this story.

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Cattledude74

Feb-12-13 10:47 PM

My uncles been in a union most of his life.

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wwhickok

Feb-12-13 1:15 PM

I think it's a well written letter.

I'm going to go speculate one whether or not Unions are good or bad, I have not had any real experience with unions, I have been a part of 'unionized' companies however, not long enough to feel any impact. I do believe however that a case can be made that there is more benefit to non-union work. I don't think you NEED a union to have a successful employer/employee working relationship. Greed absolutely plays a part in it, as it does for a lot of different organizations, such as government.

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JohnWilsonKlees

Feb-12-13 9:06 AM

MrShaman thanks for the heads up. What should I expect of these Commandos? SAS men OR impotent house husbands on workers compensation?

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Josh84

Feb-12-13 7:36 AM

@RockoRoo(Feb-11-13 9:19 PM)

Me thinkz you need to reread the letter.

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USABorn

Feb-12-13 7:26 AM

JohnWilsonKlees - 11:26 PM

"If workers were all GIVEN a proper share in the company there would be no need for Unions."

Nothing like sharing the wealth is there John? Exactly WHY should someone bust their backs to build a company, using his own funds/business loans, putting in 60-80 hours work weeks, etc., and then having to "GIVE A PROPER SHARE TO ALL THE EMPLOYEES?"

Liberal gimmee, gimmee people want the whole ball of wax! That's obscene!

I worked for a company that GAVE employees ESOP. When they retired, the company bought back the shares, thus providing a retirement fund. There was also 401K plans for employees w/matching funds. Owning company stock that would provide retirement dollars, SHOULD have made employees want the company to do well. Right? There were PLENTY of slackers...those who wanted a paycheck without working for it. and THOSE are the people who need unions, the people who want the money without working for it!

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MrShaman

Feb-12-13 6:37 AM

"If workers were all given a proper share in the company there would be no need for Unions." - JohnWilsonKlees

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Ya' better Duck-N'-Cover. The FAUX Noise Anti-Socialism "commandos" are lookin' for people, just like you!!

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MrShaman

Feb-12-13 6:31 AM

"The unions have cost tens of thousands of jobs. Just one example is C. A. Reed, Inc., which employed several hundred people. It was the union that lost that company for Wmspt!" - USABorn

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wow...whatta "convincing" argument...so many "details"....zzzzzzzzzzz....

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MrShaman

Feb-12-13 6:28 AM

"Union theory is great, and I believe still has a place in America, but in some cases they have become as greedy as the execs and end up pushing jobs oversees." - bryan48

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Please!!

Jobs had moved, overseas, to enhance those (same) greedy-execs' bonuses.

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MrShaman

Feb-12-13 6:24 AM

"Union is just another word for organized crime. If anyone else did what they do it would be called extortion and racketeering, but because they are big political contributors it has been legalized for them." - enigma

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...And...lemme guess...lobbyists, for major-corporations, are "holy warriors", right??

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JohnWilsonKlees

Feb-11-13 11:26 PM

If workers were all given a proper share in the company there would be no need for Unions. They would police themselves to create sustainable security. Inequality is root of the problem because it creates an environment for Unions to exist in the first place. Teachers and government employees are a whole other animal. Teachers shouldn’t have unions that protect poor performers; but they need to have security at the same time. What’s the function of a union and how can it be replaced with something else while preserving the good in it? This is where government is needed. Union policies should be accountable to the government, reviewed on a time table to ensure they are current with the times, and be voted on by the local tax payers, this would be a reasonable measure to ensure the policies meet the best interests of everyone.

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RockoRoo

Feb-11-13 9:19 PM

So let me get this straight. The Union was there for you, Phillip G. Miller, when you needed it. The Union served your purposes. You used the Union, but now it's of no use? Don't you think there are others who need a hand up? Just like you did so many years ago. And who knows, maybe they'll be a little more grateful. (Let's hope.)

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USABorn

Feb-11-13 4:32 PM

The unions have cost tens of thousands of jobs. Just one example is C. A. Reed, Inc., which employed several hundred people. It was the union that lost that company for Wmspt!

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enigma

Feb-11-13 4:26 PM

Union is just another word for organized crime. If anyone else did what they do it would be called extortion and racketeering, but because they are big political contributors it has been legalized for them. I say we take away all the special rules for them, make them live by the same laws that every other organization lives by and see how they do. If they survive, great, if the don't, then that's OK too.

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MrShaman

Feb-11-13 2:16 PM

"A hundred years ago and more, unions filled a very real need. Those days are long gone." - Phillip G. Miller

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...And, you can TELL, by the middle-class's wages.

See:

How The Middle Class Became The Underclass

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bryan48

Feb-11-13 1:50 PM

Union theory is great, and I believe still has a place in America, but in some cases they have become as greedy as the execs and end up pushing jobs oversees. There is a difference between working for fair/favorable wages and making your company/industry accept taxpayer bailouts or closing a company's doors.

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Nothing

Feb-11-13 10:13 AM

About 20 years ago, I entered an apprenticeship with the electricians union. I learned a trade, earned a living, saved for retirement, and had family healthcare benefits.I am still a member and still enoy those benfits.

There are bad actors in organized labor just as there are bad actors in business, law, the medical proffesion, etc. From my experience, I think there may be more to the story here.

Unions are people--not a third party. A large part of the problem starts when members refuse to act like the union is them and begin to view it as some other organization.

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SteelerFan

Feb-11-13 9:53 AM

As Chuck would say, "Good letter"

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Fredzz

Feb-11-13 7:03 AM

I agree... 100%

Todays Union's are just another administrative Money Pit...!

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