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Trainwreck in making

February 10, 2013

The Sun-Gazette Jan. 29, carried an article announcing that the Boy Scouts of America, Inc....

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pinecr

Feb-15-13 10:56 AM

People like class144 is exactly what is wrong with this country today...great letter, too bad though, you can be assured that the Boy Scouts are going down and gays wil be the cause of it.

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DavidBross

Feb-13-13 3:26 PM

Texas, While not nearly as busy as you are this week, our time is also taken up. I know we will be down again in the late Spring for a longer period of time. I will check with you then. Have a good time this weekend!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-13-13 5:39 AM

DavidBross, I'd like to figure out a way to meet for a cup of coffee or something. But we have conflicts every night. Jr High boys from church coming over for a retreat this weekend. We have a kickoff dinner tonight with them and Thursday night we have to run some errands and get he house in shape. If something breaks free I might still try to post something.

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CHayes

Feb-11-13 10:20 PM

" If all humans are Homosexual the Human race will become Extinct"

I know you people aren't fans of science, but you never heard of in vitro fertilization?

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JohnWilsonKlees

Feb-11-13 9:19 PM

You gotta problem with the Scout's? Join it and change it. Just like people who got a problem with the way wars are conducted. Join the Army if you want to make a difference the way things are done. Obviously the worlds in motion; you can get in the hampster wheel of life and change it's course or you can hush. Way to flex those arm chair muscles. I guess sittin' on your a** is a good way to keep a **** out of it!

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DavidBross

Feb-11-13 9:11 PM

Texas, we return home on Saturday. I know what you mean about the rain. We have been down here when it has been very dry.

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bryan48

Feb-11-13 2:03 PM

I have no help for the person stating it is against nature. Secondly, scout masters do not teach sexuality, so what is the issue? I highy doubt many in the gay community are waiting in line to be scout masters, they are generally too busy working earning more than the average hetero US taxpayer.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-11-13 12:58 PM

DavidBross,

Howdy ya'll. Thanks for bringing in the rain. We can always use it. Spring is north of Houston and I live west. Currently in my office at Greenway Plaza. How long are you in town?

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DavidBross

Feb-11-13 11:08 AM

Hey, Texas! My wife and I are in Spring, TX visiting kids and grandkids. You could say I'm ToTexasFromPA II.

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Fredzz

Feb-11-13 11:03 AM

CHayes, You might be right with your comment

""So being gay is a disease?""

Being that Homosexuality goes against the Laws of Nature......

If all humans are Homosexual the Human race will become Extinct. (absence of Pro-creation)

If all humans are Heterosexual the Human race will Continue its existence.. ( Pro-creation)

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DavidBross

Feb-11-13 10:44 AM

I think Mr. Carlucci's essay, "Scouting on the Front Page" is an excellent contrast of opinion and level of maturity in presenting that opinion to this letter, aptly named, "Train Wreck." Regarding the ability of an organization to determine its philosophy, membership, etc.; I think that the larger an organization becomes, the more it becomes subject to the larger society in which it exists. I think this has happened to all organizations (political, religious, recreational).

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spike2

Feb-11-13 7:47 AM

Texas - you clearly do not understand pedophilia. pedophiles come in male and female. pedophiles are often married, have children of their own, can be poor or successful. Pedophiles are not open about their desire. Fortunately we have changed and "gay" people can be who they are, can be open and can not fear repercussion. A pedophile will never gain social acceptance or an ability to be open. You may be shocked but "gay" people do not like pedophiles either. I agree with the comment of RE: leaving children with a "man of the cloth". No, I would not. Under any circumstance. Pedophiles marry women. Gay men and women marry out of orientation less.

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CHayes

Feb-11-13 7:07 AM

"I will agree with the example you provided. But what about the 18+ yr old gay adult? Are you telling me they only have a desire to be with other 18+ yr olds but not with younger than 18 yr olds?"

You know, I hear "the gays" have the ability to glamour their victims just like a vampire. They look at them a certain way, and the victims just can't say no.

"People don't choose to be alcoholics or drug addicts either"

So being gay is a disease?

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-11-13 6:22 AM

" I think not,or is it being gay is a worse sin to commit than your sin.My Bible taught me that sin is sin,the sin of lying- same as the sin of murder and so on. My Jesus taught me to love my neighbor,hate the sin,but love the sinner.If any of you think that being gay is the reason the world has gotten so bad,I feel sorry for you."---clw1162

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I agree 100%. We are all sinners and need a savior.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-11-13 6:20 AM

"Gay people dont choose to be gay."---clw1162

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People don't choose to be alcoholics or drug addicts either; they were born that way. That is how God created them!!!

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-11-13 6:08 AM

"Look how many "straight" scout leaders have been arrested for child molestation."--clw1162

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I will agree with the example you provided. But what about the 18+ yr old gay adult? Are you telling me they only have a desire to be with other 18+ yr olds but not with younger than 18 yr olds? I am sure that some restrain themselves because they know it would be breaking the law but I don't buy it for 100% of the time. That is why I said to let them serve in a function as a troop committee member and not in a role as a scout master or assistant scout master on camp outs.

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Premier

Feb-11-13 5:56 AM

I agree completly Clw with one exception I mentioned in an earlier post. A gay man likes males, a straight man likes females. Now if a straight male girl scout leader must be supervised and cannot be alone with the girls the gay boy scout leader should have the same guidelines.

If not I predict a lawsuit that will effectivly eliminate the scouts because they were pushed into a situation they didn't want.

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clw1162

Feb-10-13 10:58 PM

being gay and pedophilia are two different things.Look how many "straight" scout leaders have been arrested for child molestation.Why is it you people condemn the gays? Gay people dont choose to be gay. God made them that way for a reason,maybe its a simple as tolerance. Are you all free of sin? I think not,or is it being gay is a worse sin to commit than your sin.My Bible taught me that sin is sin,the sin of lying- same as the sin of murder and so on. My Jesus taught me to love my neighbor,hate the sin,but love the sinner.If any of you think that being gay is the reason the world has gotten so bad,I feel sorry for you.Just for the record I am not gay but know many who are,and the only difference between being bay or straight is they have a different sexual preferance.

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CHayes

Feb-10-13 10:53 PM

"Many of the boys are 10 or 11 years old when they start Boy Scouts; they are in the pre-pubescent years and aren't experimenting with their se xuality unless they have been abused or exposed to p orn. They don't make the decision to become homose xual/bis exual until they are older"

Are you telling us that when you were 11, you would have been comfortable making out with a dude? Afraid I can't say the same.

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CHayes

Feb-10-13 10:51 PM

"The BSA is a private organization and the courts have determined repeatedly that they don't have to admit homosexuals, therefore they can run it how they choose."

Absolutely they can, and they can also accept that it offends a great many people in this country. And as a "business", they're starting to realize that it may not be that smart to offend a great many people.

Why is it that people always focus only on "rights" and never the responsibility that goes along with those rights?

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rick424

Feb-10-13 10:10 PM

The frequency is occurring more because people are finally not afraid to be who they are. As time moves on these conversations today will seem as ridiculous as mixed marriages were 40 years ago. Oh wait, that was the Christians who ridiculed them.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-10-13 9:54 PM

"You think anyone would "choose" that lifestyle today"---Rick424

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I realize that you have a family member that lives that life style so you will always look at this issue differently. I would expect you to fully love them and care for them. Likewise, I wish them the best.

As I have asked in the past, if this was genetic, why aren't all the identical twin pairs homese xual where one of them is? Or as society is more open to and accepting of this lifestyle, why does the frequency increase? This would seem to imply that it is environmental and not genetic.

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rick424

Feb-10-13 9:20 PM

It is not a decision, they are born that way. You think anyone would "choose" that lifestyle today, you got a screw loose. Why would anyone want to be in the cross hairs of so called Christians trying to make them "normal" in their opinion. Don't buy it, never will and never had. One thing my parents taught me is that all are created equal. That we all have a place on earth. I think some missed that lesson in Sunday School.

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-10-13 8:52 PM

cont>>>

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ToTEXASfromPA

Feb-10-13 8:51 PM

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and younger scouts, certain rules will probably need to be established. These could include not sleeping in the same tent or making sure that similar age buddies are together, or adults are present. Anti-hazing rules should continue to be enforced and emphasized even more. There may need to be more restriction established but this is my initial stab at it.

Concerning homose xual adult leaders, they should be willing to relegate themselves to holding a position or role as a troop committee person. They should not be allowed to be a scoutmaster, assistant scout master nor to go on camp outs/outings. It helps to protect them so they are never put in a compromising situation nor falsely accused. If they are doing a board of review or other function where they are involved directly with one of the boys, a second adult should also be present.

I know there are many will disagree with me, both from the liberals and the conservatives. That is fine, I am ready for the

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