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Misguided

January 29, 2013

One hardly knows how to begin to react to Alan Cohick’s recent letter (“The Proof,” Jan. 22), but one has to begin somewhere, so I’ll just make two points....

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rmiller

Jan-31-13 6:55 PM

wwhickok,

No hiding behind a rock for me...I did disagree with Class...as he/she is intentionally and willfully provoking...if one allows it. I won't, I'll make a comment or two and then hit a disagree button. I know a troll when I see one. Hope all is well with you.

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CMReeder

Jan-31-13 8:49 AM

Very good post CaymanJim at 1:33am. Thanks for your service, you did it honorably.

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CMReeder

Jan-31-13 8:42 AM

Mr. Hickok I suggest that you stop looking at the agree/disagree count, it is meaningless. It is used to inflate or denigrate a post nothing more.

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wwhickok

Jan-31-13 6:32 AM

Has anyone ever noticed, I'm sure you have, when people like Class make a legit, good post, the same people always disagree.

It's not hard to tell who those people are.

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wwhickok

Jan-31-13 6:31 AM

Enigma, my point about the constitution was, that it CAN be changed. Regardless of how the process works, it can be changed, what is deemed lawful and unlawful can be changed. I wasn't suggesting it should be or would be.

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CaymanJim

Jan-31-13 1:33 AM

To Richardson: Sir I proudly served my country in the 60's during the height of the Vietnam War. I was a combat medic and saw my share of action. I was awarded, among other medals and citations, the Purple Heart. By 1966, I had finished my college education and began a new job when I was drafted for the military. I did not try to evade it and I had no political clout. I felt it was my duty to serve and I went willingly. The draft did not kill me, instead it made me a stronger, better man. I was not a career serviceman, and when my enlistment time was up, I was honorably discharged, BTW, when I went in, LBJ was president, and when I got out, Nixon was in the White House, and my Oath of Allegience included both of them. Not sure what your military background is, but I think it should be posted here before you sound off any more, questioning anyone's role in the serving of his/her country.

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CMReeder

Jan-30-13 12:53 PM

I agree with all of your posts Class144.

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gavinf56

Jan-30-13 12:43 PM

Class144, that 12:07PM post is spot on.

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Class144

Jan-30-13 12:20 PM

“Secondly, a real adherent to the Holy God that you flippantly call "our Lord" would not condone homosexual lifestyle and or abortion.”

Well then, it’s wonderful to know our President isn’t a bigot, and does not worship the maniacal tyrant of the OT. That’s one reason why people are leaving the church in droves. Then there’s child abuse, bigotry, a history of slavery, Evangelical Preachers scamming money whenever they can. Most people worship the Bible because they haven’t read it. But society is entering a period of time where reason, compassion, and science are taking precedence over fire and brimstone end-of-days teachings.

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Class144

Jan-30-13 12:13 PM

“Sixth, God has been stricken from public arenas.”

As it should be. It is not Governments place to endorse religion and deities. If you want to worship your sky daddy, do so in the privacy of your home or church, but keep it out of schools, and other public venues. People like you talk about Freedom, but it’s Freedom from what you don’t believe in. Would you like Hindu gods in the Lycoming County Courthouse?

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Class144

Jan-30-13 12:07 PM

“Currently serving in our forces? Are you perhaps retirees of our military? Do you have children who are in the service? Catch my point?”

I’m a service-connected Disabled Veteran. When I served, the men I trained with (many Vietnam Veterans) never worried who the President was, or if ‘god’ would protect us. In fact, religion, or lack of, was always a personal issue and never discussed. We didn’t debate foreign policy, or care if someone might have been gay. If the man beside me could do his job, that was all that mattered. Finally, if someone had ever questioned an order because of who was the sitting President, he would have immediately been stripped of all his secretly clearances and sent to clean heads somewhere in Alaska. True professionals don’t allow god or their personal biases against the CIC to interfere when and if they are asked to go down range in defense of this country.

Catch my point?

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Class144

Jan-30-13 11:56 AM

“For we Christians, God (big G) is our final authority in issues that comply with or differ with His Word. If they comply - we obey those in authority over us. If the laws are in direct contradiction to God's laws, we are not bound to them. We are to obey God rather than man.”

Really? Then why is it you haven’t killed any unruly children, or children who worked on the Sabbath? How about going to kill a baby because someone committed adultery? How about smiting someone for eating shellfish. Why hasn’t your congregation massacred a village and taken their land, animals, etc?

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Class144

Jan-30-13 11:47 AM

“Another point. It is one thing to use the name of God but it is another to know Him. My hope and prayer would be that all come to know Him and be part of the Kingdom of God that starts here on earth. Enjoy His grace, blessings, peace, comfort, joy, love, kindness, goodness, patience, and gentleness.”

Another point. To which god are you referring? Last time I checked, there were @ 2,800 gods in recorded history. Why should your god have preference over other gods when it comes to courthouses, pledges, money, etc. Even the bible, at times, said there were other gods: “And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment.” “Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods.”

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CMReeder

Jan-30-13 10:06 AM

"Currently serving in our forces? Are you perhaps retirees of our military? Do you have children who are in the service? Catch my point?"

Can you answer any those questions relene?

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CHayes

Jan-30-13 6:37 AM

"For we Christians, God (big G) is our final authority"

Apparently not so much for you Relene. You clearly stated that your deity of choice was going to decide the election, and you would abide by that decision. Now that the person you supported lost, are you trying to keep people from serving your deity, the same way the poster is trying to keep people from serving their country?

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Kelaine

Jan-30-13 1:10 AM

I stand by my comment. I think it is an absolutely pathetic accuse to not join the military and to encourage others to not join the military just because the guy you voted for didn't win the presidency.

I've already heard individuals try to use and justify such a wimpy *** accuse. IMO, it is just an "out" for small minded individuals who never had any intentions of joining the military in the first place. Such a mindset is neither honorable or patriotic.

If everyone thought and acted like that, our military would only ever be at 50% capability and strength.

Yes Relene, my immediately family is more than well represented in the armed forces. Who was, and who is, Commander-in-chief has never deterred any of them from serving honorably.

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richardson

Jan-30-13 12:14 AM

Cayman: Don't like my explanation? Makes more sense than the CYA by the CIC blaming some poor slob in LA for his "offensive", to all Muslims, UTube video.

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richardson

Jan-30-13 12:00 AM

Cayman: "He'll only kill you". Like, in Benghazi when the Algerian military attacked our embassy.

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richardson

Jan-29-13 11:54 PM

Cayman: Want the draft back? Let's review how random was the selection process: Going to college? Exempt. Politically connected? If picked, Given choice duty, usually close to home. Unlucky enough to get picked: Fein disability or run to Canada. What's more: If you've never served there is no chair for you in this discussion. Peace nic CIC Don't join. He'll only kill you.

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rmiller

Jan-29-13 10:59 PM

Like I said,

The first oath a soldier takes in priority speaks to his/her allegiance to our Constitution. That would include a law abiding citizen who holds the Constitution to be the final (not the president) the final authority. For we Christians, God (big G) is our final authority in issues that comply with or differ with His Word. If they comply - we obey those in authority over us. If the laws are in direct contradiction to God's laws, we are not bound to them. We are to obey God rather than man.

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rmiller

Jan-29-13 10:54 PM

Hayes, Cayman, Kelaine,

Currently serving in our forces? Are you perhaps retirees of our military? Do you have children who are in the service? Catch my point?

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rmiller

Jan-29-13 10:51 PM

Mr. Basset,

You subliminally infer that Obama referred to (god) in his address. (god) can reference any (god).

Secondly, a real adherent to the Holy God that you flippantly call "our Lord" would not condone homosexual lifestyle and or abortion.

Third, Not all schools begin with the Pledge of Allegiance.

Forth, If you read the Oath of Enlistment that you espoused, you will note the priority our men and women in uniform make. The first is to defend and protect the Constitution of the United States. Last time I checked, that is our highest law in the land, not a president.

Fifth, "Enemies, foreign and domestic? Hmmmm....

Sixth, God has been stricken from public arenas or have you not been versed with the twisted perversion of what Thomas Jefferson really meant on the issue of separation of church and state?

Seven, "So help me God" has become a choice because of persons just like yourself that bemoan His name and you are bemoaning Him.

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CHayes

Jan-29-13 8:24 PM

"I did not encourage my children to join the military under Clinton ;nor, would I under the present CIC."

Wow! What a true patriot. Makes me wonder what other ways you oppose the military, when you voted for a loser for President?

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CaymanJim

Jan-29-13 2:13 PM

>>> "I did not encourage my children to join the military under Clinton ;nor, would I under the present CIC."<<<

This mentality is why I firmly believe in the re-institution of the draft. Every able-bodied should be required to do military service, regardless who is the current CIC. We can't afford to pick and choose our sides. I also believe, among other things, it would help solve some of the social ills we now suffer in our country.

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Kelaine

Jan-29-13 1:34 PM

"I did not encourage my children to join the military under Clinton ;nor, would I under the present CIC."

Your guy lost, and it annoys you so much that you've become a "Fair Weather Patriot"? How sad, and it should embarrass you.

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