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January 11, 2013

One recent letter writer attacked President Obama for hypocrisy because despite his response to the Newtown shootings, he supports "the killing of thousands of unborn babies" in the form of legal......

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USABorn

Jan-13-13 11:57 PM

CMReeder - 8:58 AM

"If a woman dies while pregnant the fetus dies as well Mike. They are connected and if that connection is broken the fetus will cease to exist even in the last trimester."

strange statement considering at I read stories of babies being delivered from a woman who has died, or been killed in an accident, murdered, etc.

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DavidBross

Jan-12-13 5:09 PM

Carl said, "But you have no individual right to terminate any life, at any stage." An interesting statement. Would you also add, "for any reason" to your statement?

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 1:41 PM

"You also have responsibilities with rights, that is the part the left doesn't like."

Part of that responsibility is to yourself. That is somenthing the right doesn't like.

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CarlHiller

Jan-12-13 12:52 PM

"People will come out and say individual rights except when it comes to pregnant women." You have the individual right to get pregnant or not to get pregnant. But you have no individual right to terminate any life, at any stage. You also have responsibilities with rights, that is the part the left doesn't like.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 12:31 PM

It is up to the woman carrying the fetus. Which I have pointed out several times and you ignore.You want conformity on that not individualism.

Your question was not addressed to sideliner and then you reposed the question directly to me. This after all is an open site not a private litlle chat room. I apologize to you for butting in where I was not welcomed to begin with.

By the way Gavin if you continue not to civil we will end the discussion right now. Feces on the brain!

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gavinf56

Jan-12-13 12:03 PM

"You and others always speak to individual rights and individualism but what I believe you speak to is conformity not individualism. You want all women to conform to a specific way of thinking about pregnancy and the fetus and babies." - CMReeder

Chuck, that feces in your cranium is clouding your thought process. I can't speak for Phil, but I am pro-choice, always have been and you know that.

The crux of the whole abortion debate as Phil has pointed out here numerous times, is when does life begin or put another way, when does the fetus become a child.

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gavinf56

Jan-12-13 11:53 AM

I "don't want to include what sideliner said" Chuck. That was the conversation that was going on when you jumped in.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 11:53 AM

One more piece of information for you Gavin. If I had been born a woman I don't think that I would have an abortion under any circumstance. Then there is the other hand not you or anyone else is going to tell me I can't have one. You are not going to make my decisions for me. It is my decision to make not yours.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 11:47 AM

Now you want to include what sideliner said. You asked a question I answered it. You drew your own conclusions.

I was never blessed nor cursed with children but have listened to others especially women on birth, pregnancy and babies. I never could understand how any woman could have an abortion. I was surprised and shocked to find my female relatives were in favor of them. What I found is that the woman who is carrying the fetus is the one who determines what, when, how she is carrying is a person.

You and others always speak to individual rights and individualism but what I believe you speak to is conformity not individualism. You want all women to conform to a specific way of thinking about pregnancy and the fetus and babies.

There is no pat answer to the abortion issue. You are never going to get a consenus that all will agree with. That is because it is very personal and emotional issue for everyone.

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JohnZook

Jan-12-13 11:08 AM

Hey Reeder, Sham, Side, et al, if somebody was cruel enough to mortally wound you, wouldn't that be a "late-term abortion"? Ask your President for guidance on this.

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gavinf56

Jan-12-13 10:40 AM

"Killing children IS killing children. Aborting a fetus is not killing a child which, according to definition is a young human being below the age of full physical development or below the legal age of majority. A fetus is not a child or a human being or an individual yet." - sideliner

Did a light come on in that noggin yet Chuck, so that you can follow the conversation that was going on before you decided to interject with this statement;

"You asked me when a fetus stops being a fetus, the answer is birth." - CMReeder

By sideliners post and your post on when a fetus becomes a baby/child, there is no other conclusion to come to other than that you support late term, and I mean very late term, abortion. That may not be your opinion, but since you seen the need to interject yourself into this conversation and you expressed nothing differently, one can come to no other conclusion.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 9:20 AM

Now you want an interpertation. You mean like if you hear a heartbeat they are fully functioning human being with all the rights. Or is it when they can breath on their own with no assistance. Or is it that women give up their rights while pregnant and that we as a society must make decisions for her because pregnancy makes a woman incapable of making decisions.

Every woman is an individual and they are not going to view pregnancy the same. No pregnancy is going to be the same.

You asked me when a fetus stops being a fetus, the answer is birth.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 9:10 AM

Tell me why a man who pushed his wife down the stairs when she was pregnant was not charged for anything. The baby was born dead with a visible indentation to her skull. Why is it that women who continue to smoke, take drugs, drink alcohol while pregnant are not charge with child endangerment? Why is it people can judge people killers of babies who get an abortion but ignore the abuses and neglect of babies resulting in their death? Why is it you want human being rights established at conception and then deny them after they are born?

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gavinf56

Jan-12-13 9:06 AM

"It is your failure to see that not all will see what you see. It doesn't mean that they are wrong." - CMReeder

There you go being again Chuck, I never expressed my opinion. I only asked a question.

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gavinf56

Jan-12-13 9:04 AM

"A fetus is not a child or a human being or an individual yet." - sideliner

"The answer is birth is when a fetus is a baby." - CMReeder

"The issue abortion advocates ignore is the baby’s right to life. The only point of contention is at what point during pregnancy a fertilized egg becomes a baby." - philunderwood

"The answer is birth is when a fetus is a baby." - CMReeder

There is not much room to interpret your posts any other way Chuck.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 9:01 AM

Enigma you hit a new low that isn't what I said.

You stated that a contradiction is defining when someone is a human being.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 8:58 AM

"At some point prior to birth the baby may not be able to live on it's own, but it is living. Even after birth a baby is reliant on someone else for survival."

If a woman dies while pregnant the fetus dies as well Mike. They are connected and if that connection is broken the fetus will cease to exist even in the last trimester.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 8:54 AM

"OK Chuck, so by your definition of when a fetus becomes a baby, then I guess you support abortion up to the 9th month of pregnancy. That's not going to go over very well even with your Liberal freinds."

There you go Gavin. I did not say I supported abortion at 9months. You asked when a fetus is a baby. The answer is birth. I gave a real life example of how one woman viewed what happen to her. I did not say she was right nor did I say she was wrong. Her husband and her Mother tried to get her acknowledge her son. As far as she was concern she did not have a baby. Her pregnancy failed.

It is your failure to see that not all will see what you see. It doesn't mean that they are wrong.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 8:46 AM

USABorn, I will bet your son was the exception not the rule.

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CMReeder

Jan-12-13 8:44 AM

wwhickok, the woman I wrote about shows that not all view pregnancy, birth, fetus, baby the same. I also know women who miscarried and mourn and remember that loss. Then there are women like my grandmothers, one was pregnant 12 times but only had 8 children with one dying as a toddler due to cholera. My other grandmother said that after 30 women should not be having children.

People will come out and say individual rights except when it comes to pregnant women.

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USABorn

Jan-12-13 4:42 AM

CMReeder 10:49 AM

Here is another question for you if the advances in neonatal care had not advanced by the time your daughter was born would she be alive today?

I don't know how old his daughter is, but my son who was (TO BE EXACT) 3 months and 1 week premature, was born 47 years ago. Long before all the giant leaps in neonatal care.

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USABorn

Jan-12-13 4:30 AM

tell it to someone who had a baby 3 months premature. Only a hateful person can say a fetus isn't a HUMAN BEING. Poor pathetic USELESS idiots!

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USABorn

Jan-12-13 4:28 AM

sideliner 5:51 AM

"USA, fetuses are not babies."

sideliner...........tell that to some poor uneducated liberal who uses abortion for birth contol. But DON'T

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USABorn

Jan-12-13 4:28 AM

sideliner 5:51 AM

"USA, fetuses are not babies."

sideliner...........tell that to some poor uneducated liberal who uses abortion for birth contol. But DON'T

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DavidBross

Jan-11-13 9:28 PM

The post about Progressives belongs with the letter Phil wrote about History.

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